Finally Some Sanity – Alcoholics Anonymous
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#1 by blamethenile on February 4, 2010 - 11:50 pm
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We are neither pro nor anti-AA. Nor are our videos. Mike
#2 by cloverfield911 on February 5, 2010 - 12:16 am
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Is this a pro-AA video, or an anti-AA video. It’s never quite clear?
#3 by every2dogs on February 5, 2010 - 12:20 am
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How clever of you. You must be very proud.
#4 by BlackieHugeHands on February 5, 2010 - 12:56 am
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Man some people have all the luck
#5 by rdleon3093 on February 5, 2010 - 12:59 am
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brilliant!
#6 by OraleNesto on February 5, 2010 - 1:01 am
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i was spiked with lsd at an aa meeting
#7 by sherwoode7 on February 5, 2010 - 1:18 am
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I think Bono is an ass,shaming everyone into giving their money to Africa.Why doesn’t he give all of his money to Africa?I will do what I please with my money.Bono is a self-righteous enabler.
#8 by blamethenile on February 5, 2010 - 1:36 am
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Thanks. Mike
#9 by sherwoode7 on February 5, 2010 - 2:10 am
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Good video
#10 by spacestate on February 5, 2010 - 2:19 am
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AA is chaos, there are a lot of misguided people who have been in the cult of AA spouting stop-think slogans ad nauseum for years & are more confused as a white knuckling old-timer in AA than they ever were when they were drunk.
#11 by dix345 on February 5, 2010 - 2:20 am
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AA, in many ways, gives people permission to quit. They need ‘good orderly direction – aka ‘god’. AA provides that to some people.
#12 by AzzholesAnonymous on February 5, 2010 - 3:06 am
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Dogma Sucks!
Anyone who thinks they know the way and the truth for anyone else is full of crap.
#13 by notspeedy0314 on February 5, 2010 - 3:47 am
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is there a fly buzzing on this site?
#14 by 89eighty1 on February 5, 2010 - 4:05 am
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Ahh but speedy, I am not the only one! Maybe you have “the power” in you and extrapolate that “the masses” must as well!
See thing is speedy, when you point a finger at me, well ya got 3 more pointing at your real problem.
Or; “if you spot it, you got it!” Take your pick speedy!
Your 5% retention rate is bunk BTW.
#15 by notspeedy0314 on February 5, 2010 - 4:23 am
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78 – you could’ve just sent a personal message & actually not cluttered the board.
still, with all your posts you’ve stated only why YOU needed to externalize a ‘higher power’ & extrapolated from there that the masses who turn to AA need to do as you did.
testimony & anecdote. the science of mumbo jumbo for the ‘disease’ of alcoholism. must be why 95% of AA attendees are gone 5 years after their 1st meeting.
#16 by 78ninetynine9 on February 5, 2010 - 5:05 am
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SO therein lies, I hope, the answer to speedy’s question.
My life is much improved now. I don’t try to convert people to AA, or sell any Kool-Ade, but if there is one other out there, like I was, I would like to carry the msg that there’s hope! Truly, I have no illusion that the program of AA is for everyone, but it was for me! I KNOW I could not have lived these past years clean without it.
Sorry to clutter your board MIke, trying to satisfy speedy ain’t easy!
#17 by 78ninetynine9 on February 5, 2010 - 5:28 am
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So maybe therein lies the trickery that Mike sees under every stone in the AA path. They tricked me to look outside of myself to find the power that did for me what I could never do.
I drank, smoked, shot opiates and cocaine for 23 long painful, insane years. Tried to stop many times and failed. It may be completely subjective but the admission of powerlessness, and practice of abstinence was the most power I ever found! But it wasn’t in me speedy, nothing was left in me but to die…
#18 by 78ninetynine9 on February 5, 2010 - 5:43 am
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Since the alcoholics and addicts probably have long experience with trying to stop, or moderate, thru their own will/brain power, and have always failed, it is certainly appropriate that they SEEK a power outside themselves! Bear in mind that typically they have many years of consequences of drinking in their wake.
I am using my own life as the guide here, I know many were not as bad as I. To suggest that the power I needed was in me would only have led me back into isolation and insanity.
#19 by 78ninetynine9 on February 5, 2010 - 5:54 am
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Sorry speedy, I am not sure I even saw that question. I am fairly certain I won’t answer it to your satisfaction, but I sure appreciate the opportunity to try!
AA offers help to the worst of the worst, people trapped in a seemingly hopeless sate of “mind and body.” People who are drinking in spite of consequences. People who are drinking in spite of abhorring what they are doing. They are trapped in a “vicious circle”. People who have already tried with all their might to stop, and failed.
#20 by notspeedy0314 on February 5, 2010 - 6:43 am
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pointing out that the phrase begins with ‘probably’ is not being polemic, it’s illustrating bill w’s penchant for doubletalk & qualifiers.
the passage that follows: “That God could & would if He were sought.” makes clear the thrust of the argument. surrender to a conventional theistic idea of god is prerequisite in maintaining sobriety. then, later, everything else in your life.
you side-step the question: why does the ‘high power’ need to be externalized?
#21 by blamethenile on February 5, 2010 - 7:10 am
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Depends how you interpret it, but provided that is YOUR interpretation, that’s great. In fact I enjoyed reading your view, I had not thought about it that way, but that said, I respectfully disagree. Thanks anyway, B l A m E
#22 by notspeedy0314 on February 5, 2010 - 7:56 am
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you can’t answer for the atheist because there is no real ’solution’ with the externalized, theistic method.
your arguments come straight out of the circular, tortured logic of the BB. can an hopeless alcoholic ’seek’ relief through the use of naltrexone & continued drinking (The Sinclair Method), thus significantly moderating his/her intake & normalizing the condition?
several rigorous studies answer with a resounding ‘yes’; i suspect you & the BB would differ – just because …
#23 by 78ninetynine9 on February 5, 2010 - 8:00 am
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Tsarion: “If you don’t accept that man can be his own savior, you are UNsane and need to be quarantined!”, “You are toxic!” In other words: If you don’t believe as I do you have to be deeply flawed, stupid, a member of a herd!
Sounds like the rantings of an egomaniac to me! Tsarion is Andre…
#24 by 78ninetynine9 on February 5, 2010 - 8:45 am
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I think that anyone who doesn’t eagerly gulp your “AA critical kool-ade” is automatically up to something duplicitous in your view. Not so Mike, not at all.
Is it your contention that every concept in AA actually conceals a hidden agenda? For that to be true the program would have to have been formulated by the most cunning, sinister minds to ever exist! But then on the other hand you seem to insinuate that the founder’s intelligence was very limited.
#25 by blamethenile on February 5, 2010 - 9:04 am
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AA seeks to define God at every turn. A selective, sobriety-dispensing, confession-seeking God. Mike